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â€˜People Are Dyingâ€™: Battling Coronavirus Inside a N.Y.C. Hospital

Posted 4 years ago by nikkiphillippi in category: news

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heftygrain - 4 years ago [ Reply ]

How could you possibly downvote this?

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Youâ€™re right (guest) - 4 years ago

Youâ€™re right hefty. The site is long overdue an overhaul with many improvements needed, one being allowing those who are registered to see who voted which way making more accountable for their vote whilst also highlighting prolific down voters.

Mark (guest) - 4 years ago [ Reply ]

Over 400 die every day in NY. Covid in NY is currently at 300 for the month.

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I was complacent at first too (guest) - 4 years ago

I was of the same opinion Mark. However, just over a month ago the 1st death from Covid-19 was recorded in Europe, and as of the 27th March there have now been 16,088 death (again, in a little over 1 month). In the last 24 hours alone 919 people have died of the virus in Italy. America now has the largest number of people who have the virus. Itâ€™s a very real possibility we may all get the virus at some point (a colleague and his wife have it and are struggling) and most will live through it, but for the vulnerable, weak and elderly their chances are much less. Donâ€™t be complacent with this.

heftygrain - 4 years ago

People don't seem to understand that this crisis causes so much pressure on the hospitals that they're out of capacity, so much that it's even no longer possible to admit "regular" patients that need intensive care because of other reasons. And not only intensive care, other treatments like those for cancer patients are also put on hold because there is no one available to perform them. No think about that.

heftygrain - 4 years ago

Mark (guest) - 4 years ago [ Reply ]

Italy was the perfect storm. 30% of their population is over 65 with one of the worlds largest populations over 100. Their healthcare system is gov run and horribly understaffed because of it. Germany and S. Korea to prove that point.

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Mark (guest) - 4 years ago

And Italy is way farther into this then anyone know. https://www.fort-russ.com/2020/03/major-leading-italian-doctor-questions-official-covid-19-theory-say-strange-pneumonia-hit-in-november-2019/

heftygrain - 4 years ago

Wait and see, US "healthcare system" is not gonna cope with this very well.

Mark (guest) - 4 years ago [ Reply ]

USA is way farther in as well. We tested nobody and when we did positive tests popped up everywhere and they played it off like its spreading like crazy. It wasn't, we just started getting the tests back. It was already all over. This doctor even admitted people showed up with lung damage that apparently had it some time ago. Nobody believes me but in 3 months I believe you will

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Noemoc - 4 years ago

Well, I know we aren't supposed to feed the trolls, but just to maintain balance in the force for those who are reading the comments, here goes. You have posted several comments on here all making the same two points. (1) It seems lots of people of COVID-19, and (2) other things have killed more people than COVID-19 has killed. Both points are correct. You can stop making these points. They are both correct. We all know they are both correct. Again YOU ARE RIGHT. WE AGREE WITH YOU. YES. YOU ARE CORRECT. Now it would be great if you would acknowledge two points the rest of us are making. (1) Despite all that testing you are talking about, the mortality rate for COVID-19 in the US is 1.4% according to the data we have right now, more than ten times greater than influenza. And (2) New York hospitals are not being overwhelmed by the people that die "every day" in New York, or by falls, or by any of the other things you have talked about in your posts. They ARE being overwhelmed by COVID-19. So, to recap, COVID-19 has a much higher mortality rate (as far as we can tell--the data may tell us differently in the future, long after the time when we had to make these decisions) than influenza or other common diseases, and it is coming on so fast that it is overwhelming health care resources in New York, in Michigan, and elsewhere. So as a person who will be first in line to care for these folks and put my life on the line, and the lives of my family members on the line, could you PLEASE just shut up for a while and stay at home for a hot second until we have a better grasp on the situation. I thank you. And my children thank you.

An interesting clip (guest) - 4 years ago

Here is the latest clip from Tucker Carlson relating to information, facts and a general â€˜we just donâ€™t knowâ€™. You donâ€™t have to watch the whole clip as the first few minutes are pertinent to what has been said in this thread and the video posted above (including the â€˜lackâ€™ of ventilators), itâ€™s worth a watch: https://youtu.be/HGscdVpCpFo

DaveJoyce - 4 years ago

I'm not following completely Noemoc. My understanding is that the infection *could* be way more widespread then people know and there's a lot of asymptomatic people walking around and spreading it further... But that would indicate that the death rate is way LESS than 1.4% because there's so many who have but aren't officially counted as having it. Assuming it's much more widespread than currently known the mortality goes down closer to that of a really bad flu.

DaveJoyce - 4 years ago

I'm not following completely Noemoc. My understanding is that the infection *could* be way more widespread then people know and there's a lot of asymptomatic people walking around and spreading it further... But that would indicate that the death rate is way LESS than 1.4% because there's so many who have but aren't officially counted as having it. Assuming it's much more widespread than currently known the mortality goes down closer to that of a really bad flu.

DaveJoyce - 4 years ago

So.. if that's the case it sort of explains how the most dense urban populations are getting hit the hardest. I really want to know what's happening in Wayne County and wish there was more reporting on the ground there. Anxious also for some updated modeling from CDC based on the most up to date evidence on the ground. Already I'm seeing reports that death rate could be 88,000 for the nation. Which would be akin to a really bad flu season. But there's still a lot of questions that need answers.

heftygrain - 4 years ago

Please don't forget about the deaths that come on top of that because of hospitals that were out of capacity and couldn't treat others who may otherwise have survived...

Noemoc - 4 years ago

You are right, Dave. If it is more widespread than we know then the mortality rate is lower than we think. But influenza is very widespread and not overwhelming hospitals. So either COVID-19 is very, very widespread or its mortality rate is higher. I am not saying we know what the reality is, I am just saying people need to stop dismissing the risk with unproven theories and statements about other things that kill people. We need to do what we can right now because hospitals are getting overwhelmed right now and later will be too late. We can certainly talk about other approaches like loosening restrictions in less populated area or less affected areas, etc. But when people are just completely dismissive it makes me irritated (apparently). By the way, why does Daveâ€™s question get two downvotes when it is basically just a question about math?

Itâ€™s me An interesting clip again (guest) - 4 years ago

The irony is I want Mark and David Joyce to be right. â€˜Itâ€™s not a big dealâ€™ leaning toward â€˜itâ€™s going to be fineâ€™ when in fact we just donâ€™t know, we donâ€™t know how many people are infected, how many have died because they were infected, the knock on effect caused by increased illnesses and more. Earlier I said donâ€™t be complacent, I simply meant donâ€™t be cavalier, the colleague I mentioned who likely has Covid-19 and his wife (both in London but from the States) keep going out for walks, something all experts are asking people not to do, itâ€™s selfish, cavalier and ignorant especially so in city like London. The Carlson video sums it up well for both sides, Iâ€™m sure David Joyce will agree.

Even the BBC are now saying it (guest) - 4 years ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52078750

Mark (guest) - 4 years ago

Maybe some of you realize that 98.4% of you will live. I don't plan on being with the 98.4% for very long. Truth is 100% of the 98.4% left will die. I don't plan on meeting my maker hiding while clutching toilet paper. Anyone in the military can tell you what we call those people. The heros are out helping. Now take your toilet paper down to your local Gospel mission or die with it. In either case, make your choice and stick by it. 1COR1:27 & John 12:25

DaveJoyce - 4 years ago [ Reply ]

Hey, "An interesting clip", that was... an interesting clip! Especially the part around 9:54 where he says he's on hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil}. And confirmed later at 14:50 with the medical correspondent. Meanwhile our governor has banned it's use ðŸ˜¡ â€” https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/2020/03/26/opinion-michigans-doctors-fight-coronavirus-and-governors-office/2922272001/

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Noemoc - 4 years ago

Dave, the governor did not ban its use, although she has certainly put the fear of Big Brother into prescribers. She has reminded prescribers that prescriptions should be for legitimate and medically necessary use of prescription medications. The letter sent to prescribers was meant to curtail stockpiling of hydroxychloroquine, or prescribing it for prophylaxis against infection, or for cases with minor symptoms, for which there is little or no scientific support. It seems likely supply of this medication will be strained, and we need to work together to make sure it remains available for those who are very sick with COVID-19, as well as those who already need it for other indications. The medication IS being used throughout the state for patients hospitalized with COVID-19 related illnesses.

Donâ€™t downvote David (guest) - 4 years ago

He made the effort to watch it and comment on it. More than the downvoter did.

Noemoc - 4 years ago

I for one would never downvote Dave. I would argue with him out in the open. Oh and also record his mistakes on this little pad I keep by my computer for that purpose. Where on earth is jcryder in these dark days?

Sorry Noemoc (guest) - 4 years ago

Sorry Noemoc, I have a feeling it was one of our other commenting friends, or certainly another person else. It's even possible David downvoted himself, which would make me look especially silly considering he did watch and comment on the Carlson video.

heftygrain - 4 years ago

There, one upvote for Dave to compensate.

Thanks hefty (guest) - 4 years ago

Sincere apologies for suggesting, as one of the commenters, it might have been you. You snookered me, bamboozled me and put me in a kipper farm with nothing but a fishing rod to get out with that well placed upvote and rightly put me in my place :). Now having eliminated the possible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth, ergo it was David down voted himself! - *sigh* I should have known.

Noemoc - 4 years ago

You get an upvote! And YOU get an upvote! Everybody gets an upvote! Stay safe and calm, my friends. And keep the votes going up.

DaveJoyce - 4 years ago

Haha. For the record I did not downvote myself. Nor do I care that I'm downvoted : ) And I'll go on record as saying I was wrong about this two weeks ago, cause I didn't think we'd be where we are today two weeks ago. (Although it's objectively not as bad as many were also saying it would be in two weeks). You could credit that to all the mitigation efforts however.

Mark (guest) - 4 years ago [ Reply ]

And still being lied to. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/01/fact-check-does-new-york-have-stockpile-unneeded-ventilators/5097170002/

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